Joe Wiz's "FREE" NFL GOY from Sunday, 12/19

[winkyduck]

Now, I had NO intention of calling Joe Wiz one more time since I have already busted this clown twice before, but after hearing his radio show Sunday I HAD TO CALL! For those not familiar with Joe – he used to contribute to this site with alleged free picks – until one day I called him just like I did here – and when Joe (and Joe actually answered the phone when I called) gave me the usual “bait-and-switch” I wrote about it here and once Shrink saw it – much to his credit – Shrink had Joe out of here ASAP.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>

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Joe and friends buy an hour on the L.A. ESPN affiliate on Saturday and Sunday. I heard the Sunday 12-19 show (8-9A). Joe breathlessly stated Sunday he had his “NFL game of the Year.” Joe told us it was GUARANTEED to win or the rest of the regular season and bowl picks were FREE (how great is that – we get the GOY free and if it fails to hit – we get more free picks – how could I pass this up!). Joe said he got “BIG information DIRECT from 5 Vegas hotels” on this game (I can just see it now: Joe calls the Stardust and asks to speak to Bob Scucci and Bob takes the call and tells Joe everything he wants/needs to know because after all – he is JOE WIZ – yeah, right!). Joe told us he had won this game FOURTEEN (14) Straight Years and this game would be a “20-point blowout.” Once again he told us the game was GUARANTEED or the rest of the football season thru the Super Bowl was free. Joe tells us all to call him at 1-800-738-4491 to get this game.<o></o>
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Well, how could I pass up this offer? After all – if you go to Joe’s site (www.joewiz.com) you see how he tells everyone how if they are looking for an honest handicapper – Joe is your guy (Hmmmmmmmmmmm – hard to be an honest handicapper when you are a lying S.O.B. to all callers who call in for free games – and DON’T get it/them).<o></o>

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Anyway, I head off to call Joe.<o></o>

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I call him at 9:23A (all times PST). As is always the case, the young woman (99% of the time it is a young woman who is fresh meat and is there for the paycheck only) who answered the phone did so by saying “Sports” (Almost EVERY time I have done this the call is answered “Sports” because the person answering is answering the phone for a wide number of services and by saying “Sports” they don’t run the risk of saying the wrong service’s name – they just let the caller state why they are calling – and hand the information to a salesperson – who also works for many services – it’s just they know which Scamdicappers’ sales pitch to push now – the ONLY exception to this has been Wayne Root and Jim Feist – who have such large operations they can hire their own sales staff). I say I am calling for the free picks. She then asks for my name – which I give her (A fake one, of course). She then also asks what they all ask, “How did you hear about us?” (This way they know what advertising is working as well as what they might have to offer the caller – not that they are going to give it to them). I tell her I heard Joe on the radio. She then gets my number and says someone will call me back in a few minutes.<o></o>

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Sure enough a few minutes later – the phone rings at 9:28A. The person tells me his name is “Mike” (SURE it is – just like my name is Dave Brown – the name I gave him!). Mike asks me if I am ready to make some cash (No – you putz – I am ready to lose a lot of it – that’s why I called you). I tell him I am. Mike wastes ZERO TIME in telling me their free game picks are nothing more than a 505/0 shot and not something I want to bet.<o></o>

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Mike tells me they have 2 types of service levels:<o></o>

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Silver: These picks “only” hit between 68-71% of the time. They are $99 a PICK and I am GUARANTEED to go 1-0<o></o>

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Platinum: These picks hit between 78-82% of the time. They are “Vegas Trap Games.” When I asked him what this meant Mike told me they are the games in which Vegas is holding the public money – whatever that means.<o></o>

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Mike told me throughout the week I will call him and he will give me picks – which includes the NBA, too.<o></o>

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Mike tells me the Platinum pick is GUARANTEED to go 1-0 (Hold on here – so is the “Silver” pick so why wouldn’t I buy that one and save $150 since they are BOTH GUARANTEED to hit – right? Mike wouldn’t lie to me, would he?). Mike asks me to get a pen and paper so I can write down his name and number (not knowing I am doing that all along). I pretend to fumble for it to give me some time. Mike then tells me his name again. He then gives me his number: 1-800-738-4491 (WHAT do you know – Mike’s number is the SAME as Joe Wiz’s call-in number – the same one answered by some secretary type who then passed the number to the first available salesperson – who just so happened to be Mike – and now Mike is “honoring” me by giving me that same number again – oh happy joy!).<o></o>

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Mike then does something that floors me. Here he has a real potential customer (or so he thinks) yet he asks me if I can hold on for a few seconds. I agree wanting to see where this goes and sure enough – Mike leaves me alone for about 60 seconds (I SWEAR I didn’t make this up – how could I – a salesperson leaving a “hot” prospect to take care of something is UNHEARD of – and is something Mike should be disgraced to do – MOST people who do this to callers have them hang up and lose that potential sale – but not Mike – unreal).<o></o>

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I then ask Mike about the “NFL GOY” Joe talked about and was that’s something I would get for free or have to pay $249 for (meaning NOT “ABSOLUTELY FREE” as Joe told us COUNTLESS TIMES on his radio show). Mike confirms the ONLY way to get the GOY is by paying $249 for it.<o></o>

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I ask Mike what kind of percentages they hit for all sports. Mike tells me about the NFL ones he read off earlier and says they hit about the same in the NBA and MLB – but they don’t start picking MLB games until May.<o></o>

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Mike says the Platinum pick is a “DONE DEAL!” Mike tells me HIS contacts (NOT Joe’s – but MIKE’S HIMSELF) have given him a lot of information on these games, adding “My guys cash on big games – I won’t feed you games just to feed you games.” (Wanna bet Mike’s has as many contacts in Vegas as we do with life on Mars? Mike is so full of sh*t it is too funny!).<o></o>

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Once again – brain surgeon Mike asks if he can step away for a second (MY guess is to take another sales lead) – and I agree. About 30-45 seconds later Mike comes back. Mike tells me if I play what he has I will make a lot of money.<o></o>

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I then ask Mike about the $249 pick. I ask what happens if on the off chance, this pick loses what happens – do I then get the rest of the NFL and College Bowl plays for free. Mike then shows off his arrogance and utter lack of respect to his callers by saying:<o></o>

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“You’ll sooner see peace in the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1lace>Middle East</st1lace> than me not hitting this game!” (I SWEAR he said that – I SWEAR!). I am shocked by this (I really am) and say that’s impressive to which Mike repeats this one more time saying “We all know what the odds of peace in the <st1lace>Middle East</st1lace> are”<o></o>

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Mike then asks for my card so he can charge the $249 to it along with an $11 processing fee. I proceed to give it to him. Afterwards, Mike tells me I will be “crushing” my book and don’t worry about this fee because “my book pays the fee not me” (as in when they win a lot of money for me – their fee will be paid by the books who pay me a lot of money due to Joe Wiz’s winning picks). Mike asks me to give him 2 minutes and he’ll call me right back with all of the information I need.<o></o>

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NORMALLY I bail after doing all this and letting the guy twist in the wind. But Sunday I was in a “F*** YOU” mood so I stuck around and waited for him to call back.<o></o>

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Sure enough – about 90 seconds later – he did.<o></o>

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“Dave, you must have given me the wrong card number – can I get it one more time,” Mike says.<o></o>

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I then decide to “lower the boom” on Mike. I ask Mike, “Have you ever heard of a website called ‘The Prescription’?”<o></o>

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Mike gives the SAME answer EVERYONE ELSE has and says, “No.”<o></o>

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I then ask Mike, “How often do you see Joe Wiz?” There is a LONG silent pause as Mike never answers this question so I say to him “You work for Joe Wiz – that must mean you see him often, right?” Once again – DEAD silence from Mike.<o></o>

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I then tell Mike, “Joe Wiz is familiar with that (this one) site” and then REALLY lower the boom on Mike, saying:<o></o>

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“I do some writing for that site. What I do is call up services who say they’re giving our free games seeing if they’ll give it to me and then report back about my experiences on the site and when they don’t like in your case – I report that, too.”<o></o>

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Mike is NOT very happy – but apparently he is familiar with calls like this because he says, “Oh, good luck then with your work (In a “F*** YOU” kind of way – but he can’t say that – so this is the way he says what he wants to say)” as he hangs up on me afterwards.<o></o>

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I went to Joe Wiz’s site and on it – they have a link where you can e-mail Joe. For those who wish to do so, Joe’s e-mail addy (at least according to the site is:<o></o>

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Wiz504@aol.com<o></o>

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So – feel free to drop Scamdicapper Joe a line and let him know what you think of him and his “bait-and-switch” tactics he uses as his business model.<o></o>

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One more thing: Joe has stated SEVERAL times he likes <st1:State><st1lace>Oklahoma</st1lace></st1:State> to beat USC outright in the Orange Bowl. THAT ALONE should be enough to put everyone on USC – although if/when USC wins – look fro Joe to proudly boast how he had USC all along in this game!<o></o>

 

[Schouest]

E-mail sent....and I have a mass e-mail system that sends em as often as I want from aliases...kinda a F.U to clog up an e-mail box....

Nice work

 

[johnskelington]

Honest to god how F***ing stupid do you have to be to get scammed by someone like this? I just can't envision ever getting to a spot in my life where I pay someone $250 to give me their guess as to who would win a game. The webs full of good cappers giving pix for free with the integrety to post a ytd record along with it. I am an emphatic person by nature but anyone that falls prey to something like this has deeper problems than the $250 he or she is out.

I like your write up. I'll tell anyone spend your $$ wisely. Any capper worth his salt will have his plays monitored by an independant source. Do the research!

peace

 

[LEYKIS101]

Good job Winky.

These guys are on 3 radio stations at the same time out here. What a joke they are- "pahlay dis". You can tell they are salesmen only, they mispronounce players names often too. One of the guys was kinda funny though, said he had a Mistletoe belt buckle.

 

[kidslick]

<HR style="COLOR: #fdde82" SIZE=1> <!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->Honest to god how F***ing stupid do you have to be to get scammed by someone like this? I just can't envision ever getting to a spot in my life where I pay someone $250 to give me their guess as to who would win a game. The webs full of good cappers giving pix for free with the integrety to post a ytd record along with it. I am an emphatic person by nature but anyone that falls prey to something like this has deeper problems than the $250 he or she is out.

I like your write up. I'll tell anyone spend your $$ wisely. Any capper worth his salt will have his plays monitored by an independant source. Do the research!

peace

take a look at this thread this past sunday

http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=247668

4,573 people looked at it .........

sad truley sad

 

[johnskelington]

Frankly that makes me smile, I've made money on the NFL every year since I've started betting............I need the books to stay in business, I think I'm safe.
I wish I had the time or the interest to add up the totals on that page.

:105317756 Actually I took a second and browsed a few of those guys plays.

unfukinbelievable

 

[Sportsrmylife]

winkyduck

I find that story extremely funny cuz I went through the same thing when I just got out of college and didnt have internet access. I didn't know about this site or others like it and simply thought these guys were that awesome. Man I laugh at myself now so hard for falling for that scam. But to think that there are thousands and thousands of slups like me out there that lose their asses on the weekend and look for that way out by calling these f"ning jokers.

I would like to know why they aren't busted for fraud? Hasn't they run into any big players that lost huge and then got pissed and tried suing them? I know they are out there since jeremy roenik said he paid NSA $500,000 for betting advice.

great thread for newbies!!!!!!!!

 

[bookie]

Nice going Winky as per usual.
I am confident when I say you have probably saved newbies to sports gambling thousands of dollars by informing and enlightining them with your stories.

 

[WCBias]

Winky,

In all seriousness, you should consider tape recording your calls and sending them in to radio stations that play these guys drivel (plenty here in Vegas). Your calls/posts are thourougly entertaining...I'd watch a TV show about it.

I'm absolutely amazed these guys can make a living.

 

[winkyduck]

i actually have a tape recording of a call i made to "national sports consultants/dan the man wilson"


i know legally what i did is against the law - but now that that group has been broken up and all are either under house arrest or in jail - i think i might be able to put it on the internet for all to hear.

there is someone here (and he knows who he is) who could help me out here - and if this person sees this - send me an e-mail so we can discuss it - or else we can "IM" later.

the radio stations accept these shows because they offer the stations a LOT of money to buy the time - which is normally early in the morning when listenership os low. this way they can sell the time and they don't need any live on-air statf there - just a broadcast engineer - which they have their anyway. this way the person can pop in a tape and for 1 hour not have to worry about anything. the stations save money for no talent has to be there and they make money selling the hour. i know in Vegas Dan/Man Wilson/NSC offered 920 AM (ESPN) an outrageous amount of money to air their show - and the program director wanted to turn them down by the station and sales manager didn't - so they whored themselves out for money and sold the time.

personally - i'd like to see someone sue the RADIO STATIONS that air these shows for these clowns are nothing more than first-class frauds.

 

[jerseymike111]

I love these stories

“You’ll sooner see peace in the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1lace>Middle East</st1lace> than me not hitting this game!” (I SWEAR he said that"....lol

I bumped this up just in case others missed it.Like i did.

Another classic.....Winky

 

[Roxygurl]

ive heard that clown here too,i find him a disgusting used car salesman.i have a really good story. i was in vegas in sept. after i got back i started getting calls at home from a guy representing jim fiest.i have no idea how anyone in vegas got my number but be that as it may i kept hanging up.now i may be a goofy ditzy chick but ive been capping football with good success for 7 years and im pretty confident at this. recently one saturday morning i get a call. its the clown representing fiest again. hes telling me i need to drop dimes on this and that..i have no friggin idea what a dime is but it has to be a nickel more than i can afford! so this guys telling me jim will make me a winner. i said im already a winner why do i need him? we go round and round so finally i ask if i can speak to jim fiest himself? dude says jims a BUSY MAN....i say IM a busy girl so time to go. before i hung up i said to let his boss know if he needs help with college football to call me back and i can help HIM.now dudes kinda miffed.he says jims been a success in vegas many many years and i said your boss is a snake charmer who sells hoopty cars for a living. he says hey your talking bout my boss now..i said then you better get to the bank before your paycheck bounces. i was loving screwing with the rainman! then he says his boss has had a radio&tv show in vegas for years and a billboard with his face outside the stardust so what do i have? i said money buys anything we want and i have a GOOD reputation and integrity and friends plus idont have to keep looking behind me for irate customers all day.CLICK. all those guys in vegas are scum. i met ken white and lem banker while iwas there along with bryan leonard...they are ALL CON MEN. id have a beer with anyone here at the rx before i shared a sip of ice water in the desert with any of the scamdicappers in vegas.id rather dry up and blow away.if jim fiest is out there reading this..you are a total loser and you have to die some day. if you think the vegas desert is hot wait till hell gets ahold of you and others like you. whew. i feel much better now.lol.~RG:nono5:

 

[winkyduck]

first off - if the pic in roxy's profile REALLY is her - HELLO! H.I.P. Material here!


roxy - i assume you get espn 710 down in SD - and they aired the show although 690 does, too.

if feist called ya - you are gonna get a TON more calls from services later. i'll tell ya the best way to handle them - just send me an e-mail (with your name here in the subject line) and i'll give ya great ideas (i check it about once a week - so it might take a few days to reply):

ribbit_ribbit_dl@hotmail.com

 

[Roxygurl]

i caught it on 690 winky but im a loyal 1090 fan now that 690 turned thier back on the city that made them successfull.id like to talk to ya about the fiest scam but your email addy kinda confuses me.lol. email me at gcsantora@hotmail.com iF you will please. and yesss thats my pic.lol. who would claim this mug if they didnt have to?:cart76: ~RG

 

[aceduecetrey]

Good stuff Winky and mail is on the way.

 

[winkyduck]

check the last paragraph of the original post


Should be fun seeing Joe wiggle out of this one for you KNOW this weekend he will brag how he had USC - even though if you go to his site he doesn't say A WORD about the game - and for Joe - we know what that means.

the most hysterical part of the show last weekend was this blowhard saying how he was going to the game and was going to watch it FROM THE SIDELINES! yeah - like they'd let a gambler on the sidelines. he also said he would be part of the HALFTIME SHOW! did anyone see him at halftime (although in all fairness to him - he wouldn't have been anywhere near as bad as ashlee simpson).